Earthlings

topic posted Mon, August 28, 2006 - 11:25 AM by  Gadje
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This is the most powerfull Documentary I've seen is a while. Tell me wha tyou think. I sometimes work for Undercover Animal Rights agencies like LCA and PETA.

check it out

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Blessings,

B

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Gadje
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  • Re: Earthlings

    Mon, August 28, 2006 - 7:51 PM
    No offense but I have no respect for PETA. If this video is in any way related to PETA then I have no desire to watch it. Is this a PETA propoganda film or related "animal rights" group?
  • Re: Earthlings

    Tue, August 29, 2006 - 1:42 PM
    I can't watch that. I only made it a couple of minutes but I cannot watch animal abuse. I don't think this is a PETA film though.

    That said, I feel I have to stand up and say that I like PETA and respect what they do. I am grateful for them. I understand that our government has slandered them and tried to make them look like a terrorist group to undermine their work because, if corporations had to treat animals with any kind of respect at all, they would not be able to use them for factory farming, pharmaceutical testing or in circuses and zoos. It would hurt their profit margins to give animals any rights at all. (Those same capitalists are trying to steal our rights too. Can you say "HMO?" The insurance industry, the pharmaceutical industry, the food industry... It goes on and on. Anything to make a buck.)

    In fact, the first phone lines our government tapped after 9-11 were PETA's. I understand that this government propaganda has worked on many people. They hate PETA more than they hate the government that started an illegal and unjust war that has killed tens of thousands of people. It's crazy.

    Where I live, though, PETA has stopped at least three large scale examples of animal abuse - Carolina Biological, UNC-Chapel Hill on primates, UNC-G on cats. I could give you the details but they are too horrific. Suffice it to say, there was no benefit to humans or animals from what they were doing to those poor animals. And it was stopped because of PETA. All of those abuses would still be happening if it weren't for PETA. They may do some funny things to draw attention to animal abuses but those strategies sometimes work and I'm grateful for them.

    Gadje, if you sometimes work undercover for PETA you need to not post it on Tribe!!! Holy Cow! Our government has tapped their phones, monitors their meetings and their mailing lists and has infiltrated their ranks. They are number one on the government's Domestic Terror Groups list. It doesn't matter if it's undeserved or untrue. They will find you and ruin you. The key to doing anything undercover is to never ever never-never-never-ever talk about it!!!

    I know the
    • Re: Earthlings

      Tue, August 29, 2006 - 1:44 PM
      Whoops, sorry, forgot to erase that last line... D'oh!
      • Re: Earthlings

        Wed, August 30, 2006 - 8:43 AM
        Below is an article which exlemplifies my feelings towards PETA. I feel the corporation is a foul, slanderous organization which does not live up to it's own hype. The President, at the time I used to care about them, was an insulin dependant diabetic. How very useful. She should live up to her own corporation's ideals and allow herself to die instead of being cruel to horses. Instead, she will allow horses to be "abused" so that she can live and tell others that they are evil for doing the same damn thing. Sorry, I have had my own run-ins with PETA freaks in my line of work. They would rather see every animal die than actually have a chance. My line of work requires the selective culling of animal units in the field to ensure continued survival of the species. That makes me an enemy of PETA. Sorry, but I care more about the species survival than what some rich housewife with no clue about the real world around her and no wildlife ecology/biology knowledge thinks is right or wrong. This concludes my feelings on PETA, and I would respectfully request that no more topics be posted regarding anything PETA has to say in this tribe.



        Better dead than fed, PETA says
        Debra J. Saunders

        Thursday, June 23, 2005

        DON'T BE FOOLED by the slick propaganda of PETA, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. The organization may claim to champion the welfare of animals, as the many photos of cute puppies and kittens on its Web site suggest. But last week, two PETA employees were charged with 31 felony counts of animal cruelty each, after authorities found them dumping the dead bodies of 18 animals they had just picked up from a North Carolina animal shelter into a Dumpster. According to the Associated Press, 13 more dead animals were found in a van registered to PETA.

        The arrest followed a rash of unwelcome discoveries of dead animals dumped in the area. According to veterinarian Patrick Proctor, the PETA people told North Carolina shelters they would try to find the dogs and cats homes. He handed over two adoptable kittens and their mother, only to learn later that they had died, without a chance to find a home, in the PETA van. "This is ethical?" Proctor railed over the phone. "I don't really think so."

        This is not the first report that PETA killed animals it claimed to protect. In 1991, PETA killed 18 rabbits and 14 roosters it had previously "rescued" from a research facility. "We just don't have the money" to care for them, then PETA-Chairman Alex Pacheco told the Washington Times. The PETA animal shelter had run out of room.

        The Center for Consumer Freedom, which represents the food industry, a frequent target of PETA campaigns, released data filed by PETA with the state of Virginia that shows PETA has killed more than 10,000 animals from 1998 to 2003. "In 2003, PETA euthanized over 85 percent of the animals it took in," said a press release from the lobby, "finding adoptive homes for just 14 percent. By comparison, the Norfolk (Va.) SPCA found adoptive homes for 73 percent of its animals and Virginia Beach SPCA adopted out 66 percent."

        The Center's David Martosko considered PETA's hefty budget -- reportedly, $20 million -- and many contributions from well-heeled Hollywood celebrities, then figured, "PETA has enough money in the bank to care for every unwanted animal in Virginia (where it has its headquarters) and North Carolina."

        PETA prefers to spend donations, apparently, not caring for flesh-and- blood animals entrusted to it but on campaigns attacking medical researchers, meat-eaters or women wearing furs. It is as if PETA prefers the idea of animals to animals themselves.

        Why does PETA kill animals that might otherwise find a home?

        I repeatedly phoned PETA, but never reached an official who would answer my questions. PETA's Web site spun the story under the banner, "PETA helping animals in North Carolina" with an emphasis on its efforts to "solve the animal overpopulation in North Carolina." Here's more: "PETA has provided euthanasia services to various counties in that state to prevent animals from being shot with a .22 behind a shed or gassed in windowless metal boxes -- both practices that were carried out until PETA volunteered to provide painless death for the animals." Make that painless deaths for animals that could have found love.

        Besides, PETA always has been about killing animals. A 2003 New Yorker profile included PETA top dog Ingrid Newkirk's story of how she became involved in animal rights after a shelter put down stray kittens she brought there. So she went to work for an animal shelter in the 1970s, where, she explained, "I would go to work early, before anyone got there, and I would just kill the animals myself. Because I couldn't stand to let them go through (other workers abusing the animals.) I must have killed a thousand of them, sometimes dozens every day."

        That's right. PETA assails other parties for killing animals for food or research. Then it kills animals -- but for really important reasons, such as running out of room.

        Martosko hopes animal lovers will learn that their donations will do more good at a local animal shelter than at PETA. "For years," he added, "we thought that PETA just cared for animals more than they cared for humans. But now it seems they don't care much for either."

        No lie about not caring for people. In 2003, Newkirk hectored late Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat because a terrorist blew up a donkey in an attempt to blow up people. Newkirk also told the New Yorker the world would be a better place without people. She explained why she had herself sterilized: "I am opposed to having children. Having a purebred human baby is like having a purebred dog; it's nothing but vanity, human vanity."

        Now you know. People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals doesn't really like people. PETA has no use for ethics. And PETA kills animals.

        Note to readers: My husband, Wesley J.
        • Re: Earthlings

          Thu, August 31, 2006 - 8:05 PM
          great article Wendy. I would much rather donate to the SPCA which actually deals with abused animals. PETA are extremists and hypocrites.
        • Re: Earthlings

          Tue, September 5, 2006 - 8:24 PM
          I think it's hypocritical to say "no more posts about PETA" to this tribe and then you turn around and post this propaganda about PETA as well as a whole other thread of propagnada about PETA. It's interesting, too, that the propaganda you site comes from the food organization that you yourself say PETA targeted. I'm sure that info is very fair and balanced -- kinda like Fox News is fair and balanced. (I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the "source" of these "facts" is in fact a big corporation with a vested interest in undermining PETA. Which leads me to another "fact" that is wrong in this diatribe. PETA is not a corporation. They are a non-profit.)

          I'd love to see an independent source for this information ... though I bet I won't get to since you have decreed PETA persona non grata and handed down the dictum that we must not speak their name. So this is what free speech in America has come to...

          I know for a fact that this propaganda leaves out many of PETA's accomplishments. And, I'll have you know, I am not a "rich housewife" and I don't appreciate the name calling.
          • Re: Earthlings

            Tue, September 5, 2006 - 9:50 PM
            not all of the information in that article is from a food organization. Some of it is from the AP. The article itself is not written by a food organization, but rather cites data that it found on PETA. Just because they are a target of PETA doesn't make them unreliable. That's like saying don't trust any of the information liberals have on conservatives because they are targeted by conservatives.
        • Re: Earthlings

          Wed, September 6, 2006 - 3:52 PM
          I did a little research on the writer of the opinion piece (note: it is an opinion piece, not an article). Turns out she is a right wing conservative. If you don't believe me, believe her own words. She says it herself in this article: www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi

          Again, right wing conservatives hate PETA. They will go to great lengths to discredit them lest PETA win their battle to legislate rights for animals and thus cut into the profit margins of major corporations. I'd be much more impressed if I could validate this information elsewhere but I have been unable to do so. Frankly, I think it's just more propaganda from a bunch of neocons with their own agenda.
          • Re: Earthlings

            Wed, September 6, 2006 - 5:59 PM
            Debra J. Saunders is a conservative columnist for the San Francisco Chronicle. Her column currently runs on Sundays, Tuesdays and Fridays in the paper.

            Before going to work for the Chronicle in July 1992, Saunders worked as a columnist and editorial writer for the Los Angeles Daily News, beginning in 1987.

            Her' column is syndicated through Creators Syndicate. She has also written pieces that have appeared in the Wall Street Journal, the National Review, the Weekly Standard, Reader's Digest, Reason Magazine, and the Heritage Foundation's TownHall.com. She has also appeared on "Politically Incorrect," CNN, BBC radio and "The News Hour" on PBS.

            Saunders' political experience includes stints working as a writer/researcher and account executive for Russo Watts & Rollins, a Republican lobby shop in Sacramento, Calif., and Todd Domke Associates, a Boston-based Republican media consulting firm specializing in strategy, public relations, and advertising. With both organizations, her political work included research, issues strategy and advertising in U.S. Senate and congressional races. In addition, she also worked for the Republican leader of the California Assembly.

            Saunders is the author of The World According to Gore

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