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I have a 1 yo greyhound mix named Squeek that we rescued about 4 1/2 months ago. She's an alpha female. She gets along great with dogs when she's off leash and absolutely adores our other dog, Riley. However, when she's on leash she completely loses her mind when she sees another dog (except Riley of course). Esp. if that other dog is her size or larger, regardless of whether it's male or female. She doesn't seem to mind smaller dogs as much. She loves people, including kids (turns into a wiggling and licking machine when someone walks up to her), so we're not worried about her around people. She's also very submissive to humans, just not dogs.
We're taking obedience classes with her. Riley's been through 6 sessions (each 7 weeks long and progressively more advanced), so we've got some training experience and thought that this would be pretty easy because we were working with her before the class even started.
Her first two classes were awful. The trainer didn't even think we could continue because of her behavior. She would bark, snarl and growl at any dog that came within 20' of her. The first half of class I just had to walk her around outside to calm down. She wouldn't even respond to treats or toys. The second class they brought out a gentle leader for us to try. Immediately, and I mean, seconds after putting it on, she calmed down. I was actually able to take her out onto the floor with the other dogs. We were able to finish the class session. She's now starting her second session. She's better but we still can't have dogs come within 10' of her. We try and get her attention on us when another dog comes near but if they get too close she completely shuts down to us. We turn her head towards us (gently, of course) to try and get her to snap out of it. Otherwise we try not to make a big deal about it.
We warn the class that she is dog aggressive and not to come near her, but of course some people just don't take us seriously. We usually have some sort of run in at every class. She hasn't gotten to anyone's dog because we've been so diligent about watching who's around us and not paying attention. I just want her to be fine around other dogs when she's on leash. Our trainer just says to keep bringing her in and she'll slowly get used to it. I eventually want to get her into the agility class because she's so athletic, fast, and agile. But it has a lot of off leash work and the instructors won't lets us take it if they don't think our dog is trustworthy. Anyone have any input or advice to help her get past this?
We're taking obedience classes with her. Riley's been through 6 sessions (each 7 weeks long and progressively more advanced), so we've got some training experience and thought that this would be pretty easy because we were working with her before the class even started.
Her first two classes were awful. The trainer didn't even think we could continue because of her behavior. She would bark, snarl and growl at any dog that came within 20' of her. The first half of class I just had to walk her around outside to calm down. She wouldn't even respond to treats or toys. The second class they brought out a gentle leader for us to try. Immediately, and I mean, seconds after putting it on, she calmed down. I was actually able to take her out onto the floor with the other dogs. We were able to finish the class session. She's now starting her second session. She's better but we still can't have dogs come within 10' of her. We try and get her attention on us when another dog comes near but if they get too close she completely shuts down to us. We turn her head towards us (gently, of course) to try and get her to snap out of it. Otherwise we try not to make a big deal about it.
We warn the class that she is dog aggressive and not to come near her, but of course some people just don't take us seriously. We usually have some sort of run in at every class. She hasn't gotten to anyone's dog because we've been so diligent about watching who's around us and not paying attention. I just want her to be fine around other dogs when she's on leash. Our trainer just says to keep bringing her in and she'll slowly get used to it. I eventually want to get her into the agility class because she's so athletic, fast, and agile. But it has a lot of off leash work and the instructors won't lets us take it if they don't think our dog is trustworthy. Anyone have any input or advice to help her get past this?
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Re: similar problem as the car aggression
Fri, September 1, 2006 - 4:03 AMWhere was this greyhound before you adopted her? Her past experiences may play a huge role in this problem. Before any suggestions can be made, first we need to know what her past was like. Was she a racer, belong to an old lady, live on the street, what? -
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Re: similar problem as the car aggression
Fri, September 1, 2006 - 6:28 AMAll I know was that she belonged to someone. She was found loose by a good samaritan and brought to the shelter. She was already chipped and spayed.
We do have suspicions that her previous owners may have used a shock collar on her as a way to control her. We were planning on clicker training, but she was absolutely TERRIFIED of it. If you clicked it, even muffled in a blanket she'd go and cower in the corner and would refuse the treat. She would come close to peeing herself when she hears it. We talked to our trainer and she said to just click it randomly through the day. That helped a lot. The trainer's assistant brought up the shock collar because they click right before they send the shock. She's a very sensitive girl. -
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Re: similar problem as the car aggression
Fri, September 1, 2006 - 6:43 AMforgot to mention that the shelter tried contacting her previous owners and they never came and got her. She is a handful, so I can see how lazy people with no dog experience would probably abandon her. Though I think she's just a sweet, endearing soul.
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Re: similar problem as the car aggression
Fri, September 1, 2006 - 9:58 AMgive her time and have patience. the classes are good for her and are very necessary to her proper development as a member of the human pack. think like a dog, and not like a human righ tnow. she has a very defined social structure to fit into, and with positive encouragement and reinforcement from you it will happen. but it will not happen overnight. eventually she will become the dog you want to love. because of her past, you might have to work at it harder than other folks in your class. you might have to work longer, but you do owe it to her to train her to be a good member of your family and you will enjoy her for the rest of your lives together. -
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Re: similar problem as the car aggression
Fri, September 1, 2006 - 10:57 AMA few things to remember about greyhounds:
1: They have a relatively short lifespan due to breed
2: They are extremely highstrung
3: They tend to be very family oriented dogs
4: They tend to firmly believe they were meant to lie in laps even though they are too big.
I recommend a large doggy bed if you don't already have one. They are so bony and tend to hate laying on the ground too long. Since they have 0% body fat, I always recommend greyhound owners to have a nice big fluffy doggy bed. As she gets older, she could really use the heated mat kind, sort of like a whelping mat you find at foo-foo breeders. -
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Re: similar problem as the car aggression
Sat, September 2, 2006 - 10:49 AMShe's not nearly as tall as a purebred greyhound and she's not quite as thin as one. I'm pretty sure one of her parents was a purebred greyhound. The other parent was probably a mutt. Besides her size she looks exactly like a greyhound except for her head. It's not as long and thin. There's also a possiblity that she's whippet instead of greyhound. In terms of height she splits the difference between the two.
She's crate trained and sleeps in a crate next to our bed every night. She has a dog bed and a queensize comforter in it for her to sleep on. She also sleeps with a fleece coat on that I made her. I'll be making her a couple more for everyday use this fall. Gotta make sure she's toasty at night.
She's definitely high strung! But I think it's just cute. She's sooooo needy but again, it's part of her charm. Our other dog is normally so mellow and lazy they compliment each other. He gets her to chill out and she gets him a bit more active. He's older, we think 4 or 5 years old, but he really pepped up when we got her.
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Re: similar problem as the car aggression
Tue, October 10, 2006 - 9:47 PMWilliam Campbell's BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS IN DOGS might have some ideas for this. I like his Jolly Routine concept--be ready for it, but also pretend blatantly "Oh, you're on a leash, and here comes another dog. This is fun. It's fun to see other dogs." Dogs pick up on it when we are freaked out, and if we know our dog is going to go ballistic we tend to freak out. Obviously, you have to have good control of her at the time of the Jolly Routine. I would try walking her gradually closer to other dogs, praising her ECSTATICALLY for all good behavior with other dogs. Try to create successful situations. The woman who wrote CULTURE CLASH (Jean Donaldson, maybe?) wrote another great book about aggression in dogs. Try to find it, because it may have good practical suggestions. I read part of it at a friend's house while dog-sitting and was really impressed. -
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Re: similar problem as the car aggression
Wed, October 11, 2006 - 9:46 AMthanks Margot for your recommendation. I'll look for it. -
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Re: similar problem as the car aggression
Mon, October 23, 2006 - 9:21 AMI had a similar situation with the same dog that has the car aggression problems. I believe that in both cases she honestly just wants to say hello and play, but being locked up or on a leash inhibits her natural response and somewhere along the way it turned into what looks like aggression. However, off leash I don't hesitate to let her run and play, meet dogs, people, etc....
With Sadie when we are walking on a leash, she acts crazy too. She barks, pulls all the way to the end of the leash and bounces from side to side as far as she can. She sometimes even misdirects her aggression at Poca (her sister dog) and that is what really started bothering me. Poca is much older and doesn't always see it coming, and I never want them to get in a fight. So when we see another dog, I pull Sadie's leash as short as I can, have her walking right beside me, and say no when she acts like a crazy fool. It does make her stop and she just watches the other dog instead of acting like she wants to eat it. We are still working on it though so I haven't gotten to the point where I feel comfortable letting the leash out longer. I want us to get to that point though (it's a work in progress).
Let me know if you come up with any other good solutions.. I would love any tips, esp. from someone that has the same sort of issues!
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Re: similar problem as the car aggression
Mon, October 23, 2006 - 10:33 AMYeah, Squeek also redirects the aggression towards Riley when they are on leash together.
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