Animal Behavior and Natural Phenomenon

topic posted Mon, October 18, 2004 - 7:47 AM by  Wendy
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Have you noticed animals acting oddly before a major environmental occurance? If so, share your story, so we may discuss it. I am very interested in learning about this little known area.
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  • Re: Animal Behavior and Natural Phenomenon

    Mon, October 18, 2004 - 2:32 PM
    This is mostly crap. Observations of unusual behaviors by animals always seem notable after an unusual event but upon close observation the same or even more bizzar behavior can be observed on a regular basis with no corresponding natural events like earthquakes or whatever.
    • Re: Animal Behavior and Natural Phenomenon

      Fri, January 7, 2005 - 11:29 AM
      "This is mostly crap."

      Hee hee. I essentially said the same thing in this thread on the World Food and Health Watch tribe: americansamoa.tribe.net/thread...2f33bd3

      I can dig that birds with their sharp eyesight and better viewpoint from the air might've caught sight of the oncoming tsunami and decided to haul ass inland. Some animals might've seen the birds hauling ass and decide to haul ass too--after all, aren't birds sort of an early-warning system for the animal world? But as for PREDICTING a tsunami, or an earthquake--and I mean knowing that something's going to happen before it can be detected--I don't think that's particularly credible, given the data at hand.
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        Fri, January 7, 2005 - 11:42 AM
        Animals sensed tsunami days ahead, says Lankan expert

        PK Balachanddran

        Colombo, January 5, 2005|15:58 IST


        Animals in the Yala National Park in south Sri Lanka might have felt tell-tale signs of the tsunami three or four days ahead of the strike on December 26, and that is why there has been no report of animal death from there, says Dr Ranjith Premalal De Silva, an expert in geological information systems.

        "Yala is known for its elephants. But not a single elephant was killed! And Yala was one of the worst-hit areas in Sri Lanka," Dr De Silva told Hindustan Times in Colombo on Wednesday.

        An India-trained disaster management expert, Dr De Silva said that there had been a lot of research in China on animals and earth tremors and that it was time other countries like Sri Lanka started studies in this field. According him, good work is already being done in India.

        As early as the 1950s, the Chinese had found that domestic animals were able to sense earthquakes in advance. Scientists in China have studied the behaviour of such animals under controlled, simulated conditions.

        "If domestic animals can sense earthquakes days in advance, forest animals should be able to do that even better. Animals' natural characteristics and capacities are much more evident in forest animals than in the domesticated ones," Dr De Silva observed.

        Scientists in China had seen rats coming out of their holes, snakes rushing out of their pits, goats refusing to eat or go into their pens, chicken dashing out of their coops, pigs squealing strangely, birds flying out at night, insects congregating in large numbers near sea shores and cattle rushing to higher ground, much ahead of earth tremors.

        Chinese studies have found unusual behaviour of animals like rats, fish and snakes three days prior to a tremor.

        Explaining this phenomenon, Dr De Silva said that animals could sense the initial waves from an earthquake called Primary (P) waves, which travelled faster than the Secondary (S) waves by 2 to 4 km per second.

        "Animals can sense the P waves and therefore bolt to safer places or, if they cannot, exhibit strange and agitated behaviour."

        "Only in places which are very close to the epicentre there is no difference between the P and S waves and early warning through P waves is not possible," Dr De Silva explained.

        Studies have identified 58 kinds of animals, which can sense earth tremors in advance.

        Pigeons have sensors, which pick up even micro-fracturing of rocks prior to an earthquake. Electro-magnetic changes before an earthquake affect migrating birds, and fish lose their navigational ability.

        According to Dr De Silva, virtually all animals have sensors, which tell them about forest fires and the presence of predators. Scientists have made attempts to mimic the sensors in animals.

        China is leading the world in research on biological ways of predicting earthquakes, having set up a specialized centre in 1968.

        "Sri Lankan geologists and bio-scientists should study the animals of the Bandala and Uduwalawe national parks. People there must be interviewed to find out if they saw any unusual behaviour among the animals in the days prior to the disaster."

        "But unfortunately, there may not be many human survivors in the Yala Park who can tell the tale," Dr De Silva said.
        • Re: Animal Behavior and Natural Phenomenon

          Fri, January 7, 2005 - 12:36 PM
          Most reliable studies using sound research methods (including the Chinese zoo study) have shown that animals aren't the most reliable earthquake predictors.

          Here's an article: www.nerdbook.com/sophia/article1.html

          Sophia Yin, DVM San Francisco Chronicle 2000

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          Haicheng, China, 1975. A massive earthquake hits. Buildings are demolished, roads destroyed, but thanks to an evacuation several hours earlier, thousands, possibly tens of thousands of human lives are saved. The Chinese claimed they'd predicted an earthquake within hours of its occurrence. Their forecasting system -- animals.

          This Haicheng success sparked the interest of the US Geologic Survey. What were animals cueing in on? How did their detection systems work? Could answers to these questions lead to development of a high tech earthquake forecasting system?

          Dr. Benjamin Hart, a veterinary behaviorist at the UC Davis School of Veterinary Medicine was on the front lines. "I received a call from the USGS," says Hart. "'Can you tell us what it is that animals respond to in an earthquake,' the caller asked, almost expecting that I knew the answer already. I told him that I hadn't the slightest idea and that I was sure none of my colleagues knew either. First tell me what the stimuli are." The caller rattled off a different types of stimuli -- radon gas, magnetic lines, electron particles, seismic foreshocks. While animals have remarkable senses, Hart knew of no examples of animals responding specifically to earthquake stimuli so he suggested they call a meeting of geologists and experts in sensory systems in animals.

          And so it was. A think tank of scientists ranging from seismologists to experts in pigeon homing and hearing in lizards convened to ponder how or even if animals might detect earthquakes. Says Dale Lott, professor of conservation biology at UC Davis, "I was pretty skeptical about animals having a specific earthquake detection ability. In evolutionary terms, why should animals care if there's an earthquake. So the earth shakes a little. The food still grows and the streams still flow."

          But Lott and the others did feel that animals might detect precursors as something odd without knowing specifically that an earthquake was coming. In this case you would expect to see a species specific anxiety or fear reaction.

          The symposium brought forth many ideas and a call for research. Hart and Lott teamed up with geologist Ken Verosub and proposed several projects one of which received funding -- an interview of earthquake victims just after an earthquake.

          Their first research opportunity was the 1977 Willits, CA earthquake. Posing as an earthquake survey team so they wouldn't bias the interviewees, they questioned victims about damage to their homes first. Then well into the interview, they started asked, 'Did you have any idea this was going to happen? Did anything unusual occur before the earthquake? Usually if they were going to get anything about animals, they'd get it here. The results were quite interesting.

          "It was a melange," says Lott. "Ben would do some interviews and get a lot of positives and then I would do some and get nothing and vice versa."

          Positives were marked. A cat that normally entered the house about 7:30 am to eat and sleep continually paced, entering and leaving the house repeatedly. The owners had discussed the unusual behavior prior to the earthquake. A two-year old Doberman which normally slept in the morning shadowed her owner continually from 8:00 am until the earthquake, sometimes whining and pacing. The owner wondered whether the dog needed a tranquilizer.

          When the researchers were finally informed of the exact epicenter, they examined the mapped interview locations and found that the positives were clustered around the epicenter. An incredible 50% of the households around the epicenter reported strange animal behavior whereas the baseline positive answers far away from the epicenter was only 10%.

          Both Lott and Hart were impressed with the pattern. Maybe they were on to something. But the excitement ended there. Over the next year they studied six more earthquakes spanning North, Central and South America and came up with nothing.

          Their grand conclusion was that animal earthquake detection works sometimes but not often. Some earthquakes are preceded by cues that some animals can detect, but since this phenomenon is not consistent, it's not reliable enough to be useful in predicting earthquakes.

          While the findings may have been disappointing they were still valuable. Says Lott , "It stopped the folklore about animals having specific earthquake-predicting abilities and allowed the geologists to go on to study other forms of earthquake prediction. It was an idea that had to be rigorously tested."

          And what of the Haicheng earthquake? Turns out that it was a propaganda act by the Chinese government during the cultural revolution madness. The government never produced scientific evidence supporting their claim. Furthermore, before the Haicheng earthquake, there were many smaller earthquakes occurring in the area. General warnings were issued many times and people were encouraged to stay outdoor. One such warning happened to coincide with the Haicheng earthquake.
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            Re: Animal Behavior and Natural Phenomenon

            Fri, January 7, 2005 - 12:47 PM
            www.deprem.cs.itu.edu.tr/Anima...ns.htm

            PATTERNS IN THE BEHAVIOR PHENOMENA
            Most unusual animal behavior reported before earthquakes is not totally abnormal for the animals' repertoire but has been observed in the species under other circumstances (Table 1). The behavior sometimes resembles startle movements in response to a sudden stimulus; in other cases it resembles the orientation movements that animals use to investigate or avoid a stimulus. The behavior reported in postearthquake interviews resembles fear or escape reactions and ranges from mild response to bizarre behavior [Lott et al., 1980]. Investigators familiar with the full range of behavior for a species will often recognize that reported 'abnormal' behavior is actually species-typical behavior which may be triggered by a variety of stimuli [Moore and Stuttard, 1979] not necessarily related to earthquakes. For example, behavior such as cats hiding and pigs biting their tails (Table 1) also appears at times of stress unrelated to geophysical changes.

            Much of the behavior resembles that reported for animals before geophysical events other than earthquakes, such as thunderstorms [e.g., Edwards, 1968; Bufe and Nanewicz, 1976] or sudden volcanic eruptions. For instance, dogs sniffed and pawed at the earth 2-4 days prior to the eruption in 1955 of Mount Kilauea, Hawaii [Bolt et al., 1975]. Cows abandoned their pastures 2 weeks before Volcan Arenal, Costa Rica, erupted in 1968 [Anderson, 1973], and dogs barked incessantly for minutes to hours prior to the 1965 eruption at Tall, Philippines [Anderson, 1973].

            For a few major earthquakes, reports of unusual animal behavior have been widespread enough that it was possible to study the timing of the behavior (Tables 2a and 2b). For the Tangshan earthquake (M = 7.8, July 28, 1976), reports of fish, rodents, and wolves were cited as early as a month or two before the event [Academia Sinica, 1977b; Shen, 1978]. In the epicentral area of Tangshan, over 70% of the reported incidents took place within 1 day before the earthquake. Most incidents (70%) also occurred in areas which were to experience the greatest Mercalli intensities. Although in other earthquakes, unusual behavior of cows and horses has been noticed in the seconds or minutes prior to the shock [Lee et al., 1976; Tributsch, 1978], at Tangshan only 10% of the reported incidents for horses, donkeys, and cows occurred immediately before the earthquake. At Tangshan there were reports of earthquake lightning and changes in telluric currents the days before the earthquake (Academia Sinica, 1977b), but there were no reported foreshocks.

            TABLE 2a. Temporal Distribution of Animal Behavior (as Percentage) Prior to Earthquakes:

            Haicheng, China, Earthquake (M = 7.3), February 4, 1975, 19:36 Local Time


            Dec.
            Jan.
            Feb. 1-2
            Feb. 3
            Feb. 4
            Total n

            Chicken
            0
            6
            12
            19
            63
            121

            Cow and horse
            10
            0
            0
            28
            61
            174

            Dog
            0
            13
            0
            33
            54
            74

            Fish
            24
            17
            8
            18
            33
            61

            Mouse and rat
            6
            27
            4
            21
            42
            243

            Pig
            0
            5
            28
            14
            53
            359

            Snake
            16
            71
            8
            2
            3
            23

            Data are from Academia Sinica [1977a]. Total n is the total number of observations.





            As early as a month prior to the Haicheng, China, earthquake (M = 7.3, February 4, 1975). [Academia Sinica, 1977a; Raleigh et al., 1977], unusual behavior in fish, rodents, and snakes was observed (Table 2). However, most of the unusual behavior took place within 2 days of the main shock. Numerous foreshocks and obvious groundwater changes also occurred 1 or 2 days before this event [Raleigh et al., 1977].

            Rikitake [1978a, b] considered the temporal relationship between geophysical and behavioral precursors for the lzu, Japan, earthquake (M = 7.0, January 14, 1978). Nearly all physical precursors measured for this and other earthquakes occurred at least 2 days prior to the main shock, while most of the 129 behavior incidents happened within 24 hours of the earthquake. In Rikitake's [1978b] analysis most behavioral precursors coincided with a swarm of foreshocks a few hours prior to the main shock.



            TABLE 2b. Temporal Distribution of Animal Behavior (as Percentage) Prior to Earthquakes:

            Tangshan, China, Earthquake (M - 7.8), July 28, 1976, 03:30 Local Time


            Before July 26
            July 26
            July 27
            July 28
            Total n

            Bird
            12
            16
            58
            12
            24

            Cat
            29
            14
            46
            11
            28

            Chicken
            21
            18
            57
            4
            128

            Cow and horse
            0
            4
            86
            10
            52

            Dog
            16
            2
            61
            20
            44

            Fish
            50
            0
            41
            9
            23

            Goat and sheep
            25
            3
            64
            6
            31

            Mouse and rat
            54
            18
            26
            2
            165

            Pig
            42
            6
            39
            11
            57

            Data are from Academia Sinica [1977b]. Total n is the total number of observations.




            The great variability of animal behavior before earthquakes is apparent from postearthquake interviews such as the standardized studies of Lott et al. [1979a, b]. Unusual barking of dogs was noted by observers prior to one earthquake in Turkey but was absent before an earlier earthquake in the same area [Toksöz, 1977]. Individual animals of the same species, even when located in the epicentral area, did not respond in the same way before the 1977 Willits, California, earthquake (M = 4.7) [Lott et al., 1979a].

            This variability has two sources: behavioral differences among individual animals, even within the same species, and geophysical differences between earthquakes. An important factor is the difference in response thresholds and differential tendencies to react between different animals. In addition, it is clear from comparative studies [Lott et at., 1980] that unusual behavior is observed before some earthquakes but not others. The same type of interview study was conducted after four recent California area earthquakes: Willits, November 22, 1977 (M = 4.7); Landers, March 15, 1979 (M = 5.5); Coyote Lake, August 6, 1979 (M = 5.4); and Mexicali, October 19, 1979 (M = 6.9). All four had strike-slip faults with rather shallow epicenters located in rural areas. Only the Willits earthquake had a significant number of behavior precursors [Lott et al., 1980].

            From an examination of the available data for 36 earthquakes on four continents (Figure 1) a few generalizations about the reported unusual animal behavior are possible.

            1. Most, but not all, of the animal behavior precursors occur close to the epicenter within 1 or 2 days of the earthquake. The species primarily reported are domestic mammals, such as dogs, probably because of their close association with humans, and animals of commercial importance, such as horses and chickens.

            2. Some, but not all, of the behavior precursors occur within 'a few minutes' before the earthquake [Lawson, 1908; Penick, 1976; Tributsch, 1978]. For these precursors it is difficult to dismiss the hypothesis that the animals are sensing the vibrations of the P arrival from the earthquake, while humans sense only the later and stronger S or surface waves. For example, Kilian [1964] found that horses and pheasants responded about 5-10s before humans felt the earthquake in an aftershock sequence in Chile. It is possible that not all of these behavioral precursors are caused by the arrival of the P wave, as other physical changes could be occurring simultaneously. However, in recent careful studies [Rikitake, 1976; Lott et al., 1979a, b], phenomena that may coincide with the P arrival are placed in a separate category from earlier behavioral precursors.

            3. A few of the behavior precursors actually are reported days to weeks before the earthquake, and some of these occur at a considerable distance from the epicenter. The species most often mentioned in these reports are fish [Terada, 1932; Rikitake, 1976] and rodents [Academia Sinica, 1977b].



            Fig. 1. Distribution of animal behavior incidents according to the distance from the epicenter and the time before the main shock of 36 different earthquakes in Europe, Asia, North America, and South America. Symbols indicate reports on the following animals: catfish, eels, other fish, frogs, snakes, turtles, sea birds, chickens, other birds, dogs, cats, deer, horses, cows, rats, and mice. Data are nonsystematic and collected from many sources [Kilian, 1964; von Hentig, 1923; Simon, 1975: Lee et al., 1976; Academia Sinica. 1977a, b; Shaw, 1977; Rikitake, 1978a, b, Tributsch, 1978].
            • Re: Animal Behavior and Natural Phenomenon

              Fri, January 7, 2005 - 1:30 PM
              "Investigators familiar with the full range of behavior for a species will often recognize that reported 'abnormal' behavior is actually species-typical behavior which may be triggered by a variety of stimuli [Moore and Stuttard, 1979] not necessarily related to earthquakes. For example, behavior such as cats hiding and pigs biting their tails (Table 1) also appears at times of stress unrelated to geophysical changes."

              Exactly. That's what I've been trying to say.

              Viewing the data for the two earthquakes that were preceded by odd behavior is interesting, but it'd be nice to see the data sets for the earthquakes that AREN'T preceded by these behavior precursors as well, and see which outweigh the other.
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                Fri, January 7, 2005 - 1:37 PM
                Is it raining or drizzling? Locally, one can tell the difference. Anectodal reports are important, particularly when fractally viewed.


                www.alertnet.org/thenews/n...170472.htm
                ""She had a feeling something was going on," said Wang."

                Sri Lanka hotelier left with jumbo tsunami task
                04 Jan 2005 13:34:26 GMT

                Source: Reuters

                COLOMBO, Jan 4 (Reuters) - When a deadly tsunami struck Sri Lanka's coast late last month, hotel owner Elfriede Wang was left with a heavyweight task -- how to move her elephant.

                Wang, a Swiss, met Ranmenike the elephant when she first visited the island in 1986 on the advice of her doctors, who advised her to seek warmer climes during Europe's winters.

                "We became good friends," Wang told Reuters on Tuesday.

                So good, in fact, that when Wang decided to settle permanently in Sri Lanka and opened a hotel in Ahungalla on the southwest coast, she named it Ranmenike and the elephant moved in to a specially built stable at the rear.

                On Dec. 26, as the swollen seawaters rose around the hotel walls, Ranmenike started panicking.

                "She had a feeling something was going on," said Wang. She was like a wild elephant ... nervous, swinging her trunk and waving her ears."

                Wang and the elephant's mahout raced to her stable, and found the water was already about half a metre up Ranmenike's legs.

                "We managed to get her out before it rose higher," Wang said. "Then we managed to get her to higher ground and she stayed near a temple for a week."

                Wang said 28 people from houses surrounding her hotel were killed by the tsunami.

                Over the years Ranmenike has become a popular attraction on the beach, taking tourists for rides and squirting water at local children.

                Elephants are native to Sri Lanka, but are usually only seen in National Parks - although tame elephants are also put to work in forests.

                Ranmenike herself has now also been put to work. She is helping clear fallen trees, slabs of concrete and other debris that litters the town -- most of it far too heavy to be lifted by people.
                • Re: Animal Behavior and Natural Phenomenon

                  Fri, January 7, 2005 - 1:54 PM
                  "Anectodal reports are important, particularly when fractally viewed."

                  Anecdotal reports are also only as reliable as the accuracy of the recall and truthfulness of the person telling the anecdote. Anecdotes aren't completely useless, I'm not saying that, but making a hypothesis such as "animals can reliably predict earthquakes" requires more than anecdotal evidence. So far, the evidence is quite shaky--the most reliable report that included actual data sets that has been posted in this thread so far acknowledged that animals behave in similar manners when there ISN'T an earthquake, and other reports indicate that animals predict earthquakes somewhat spottily at best.
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                    Re: Animal Behavior and Natural Phenomenon

                    Fri, January 7, 2005 - 2:12 PM
                    "animals can reliably predict earthquakes"

                    That's not my hypothesis. It may be that animals can reliably predict earthquakes, but as yet, no one's figured out how to harnass the ability.

                    "animals behave in similar manners when there ISN'T an earthquake"

                    Individuals species being considered individually, extraneous of any simultaneous anomalous event.
                    This event has produced anecdotal evidence of several, disparate species exhibiting forewarning.
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                      Fri, January 7, 2005 - 2:21 PM
                      plus....isnt the real topic here not that animals can *predict* earthquakes or tsunamis, but rather that they can *sense* these things to begin with? Sure some scientists agree that using animals as a means of *prediction* is shaky at best. But so far, as I read it, the facts are pretty much in agreement that the animals have this sense and can act strangely in response to it. The *sense* is there even if its not reliable.
                    • Re: Animal Behavior and Natural Phenomenon

                      Fri, January 7, 2005 - 2:24 PM
                      "That's not my hypothesis."

                      Well, that's the hypothesis I disagree with--so in short, it doesn't appear as if I'm disagreeing with you. Glad we got that sorted out. I agree that some animals are able to detect some earthquakes before they register on human equipment some of the time. Just not as frequently or reliably as most people seem to think. I'm also not sure I buy into the whole "animals are able to detect earthquakes ages before they're detectable" hypothesis. The data to support that is even shakier than the data supporting the idea that animals can reliably predict earthquakes.
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                        Fri, January 7, 2005 - 2:31 PM
                        "not as frequently or reliably as most people seem to think"

                        As frequently: yes.
                        Reliably: no.

                        Though, if one observes anomalous animal behaviour exhibited across several species, it might be wise to immediately amp up one's own instincts.

                        news.nationalgeographic.com/news...#main
                        "Did Humans Lose Their Sixth Sense?
                        At one time humans also had this sixth sense, Rabinowitz said, but lost the ability when it was no longer needed or used."
                        • Re: Animal Behavior and Natural Phenomenon

                          Mon, January 10, 2005 - 10:22 AM
                          "As frequently: yes.
                          Reliably: no."

                          Most people who think animals can predict earthquakes seem to think they can predict it every time. And there's evidence that animals don't. Actually, hmmm. Isn't that related to reliability? Ah crap.

                          And from the story you linked to:

                          "There have been documented cases of strange animal behavior prior to earthquakes. But the United States Geological Survey, a government agency that provides scientific information about the Earth, says a reproducible connection between a specific behavior and the occurrence of a quake has never been made."

                          It sounds like the animals in the story headed inland an hour before the tsunami hit, which would've been, what, an hour after the 9.1 earthquake? They may have been reacting to the tremors.
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        Fri, January 7, 2005 - 12:05 PM
        what about those dogs you read about and see and hear about all the time that can sense when their owners are about to have a seisure and the dog alerts them so that the human can get prepared for their seisure. Do you believe that that is also "mostly crap"? Just wondering.
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          Fri, January 7, 2005 - 12:26 PM
          Dogs can smell cancers in humans:

          www.ctv.ca/servlet/Arti...6024327518_15

          New study shows dogs' cancer-sniffing ability

          CTV.ca News Staff

          Updated: Fri. Sep. 24 2004 3:26 PM ET

          They already help the blind, sniff for drugs at the airport and can find survivors buried deep in rubble. Now it seems man's best friend can also smell cancer.

          A study published this week in the British Medical Journal suggest that the pets were able to sniff out bladder cancer in urine samples, and did so three times more often than would be expected by chance alone.

          This is the first such study, but it is preceded by several anecdotal cases of pets sniffing out cancer.

          In 1989, two London dermatologists described the case of a woman who asked for a mole to be cut out of her leg because her dog -- a female border collie-Doberman mix -- would constantly sniff at it and even tried to bite it off.

          It was later found that the woman had malignant melanoma, but it was detected early enough to save her life.

          Following those stories, researchers from Amersham Hospital in Buckinghamshire, England and the organization Hearing Dogs for Deaf People, set out to see if dogs could be trained to sniff out cancer.

          The experiment

          Over seven months, six dogs were trained to discriminate between urine from patients with bladder cancer, and urine from healthy or deceased people.

          The dogs were trained to lie down beside a sample if they detected cancer. They also learned to ignore differences in the urine samples due to sex, age, infection, diet and other factors.

          Researchers used urine from 36 bladder cancer patients, and 108 comparison volunteers. Each dog had to sniff seven urine samples, and the test was repeated eight times, with new urine samples every time.

          The study found that the dogs were able to select the right urine 22 out of 54 times. That is a success rate of 41 per cent, compared to 14 per cent if the dogs had chosen right by chance.

          Two of the cocker spaniels in the group -- Tangle and Biddy -- were right 56 per cent of the time. A third cocker spaniel, Bea, and a papillon, Eliza, were the second-best at sniffing out cancer. Following them was the Labrador, Jade, and then Toddy the mutt.

          In one very interesting case, all the dogs identified a certain urine sample as having cancer, even though screening tests before the experiment had shown no cancer.

          Doctors did further tests and discovered a life-threatening tumour in the patient's right kidney.
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          Fri, January 7, 2005 - 12:39 PM
          "what about those dogs you read about and see and hear about all the time that can sense when their owners are about to have a seisure and the dog alerts them so that the human can get prepared for their seisure."

          Anecdotal reports don't make the best evidence, and additionally, as Snowdog noted, we tend to remember instances in which our animals acted odd when followed by something else that's memorable. I'd personally like to see comprehensive data that covers each time an animal acts oddly and nothing happens vs. odd behavior followed by a significant event, not to mention NO odd behavior from an animal followed by a significant event. If we have a large enough sample, this would provide actual meaningful data we could work with.
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            Fri, January 7, 2005 - 1:48 PM
            are dogs that are trained to do this type of behavior exibition considered "Anecdotal reports"? If they were Anecdotal reports, I dont think that companies would invest time and money into training these dogs so that they may be of use to humans. Just my 2 Cents.

            but I see where you are coming from.

            but it still doesnt explain why they have not been finding dead animals related to the tsunami.
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              Fri, January 7, 2005 - 1:54 PM
              " it still doesnt explain why they have not been finding dead animals related to the tsunami. "

              Actually, that's contributing proof, imo.


              www.ananova.com/news/story...586807.html

              Ananova:

              Pentagon trains bees to 'sniff out' bombs

              Bomb-sniffing honey bees are being trained in the US as a new tool to fight terror attacks.

              Pentagon scientists have succeeded in making hives ignore flowers and instead swarm around traces of explosives.

              Bees have extreme sensitivity to molecular trails and are able to scour every minute part of an area as they search for food.

              "It appears bees are at least as sensitive or more sensitive to odours than dogs," Dr Alan Rudolph, who is overseeing the operation, told the New York Times.

              One plan being considered is to place a hive of trained bees near important security checkpoints and use them to guard against possible bomb attack by terrorists. The swarming detection system could also be used to find truck bombs and land mines.

              Scientists used sugar-water rewards to condition bee colonies to hunt for DNT, a residue of TNT, in 99% of cases.

              After one bee is trained to follow a different scent, it transfers the knowledge to others and within hours the entire hive, and often other nearby hives, have switched to the new smell.

              A special radio transmitter the size of a grain of salt, due to be tested in the next few weeks, could allow individual bees to be tracked as they follow parts of bomb ingredients to their source.

              Bees could also be used for sniffing out illegal drugs, which are easier to trace than explosives, the scientists said.

              Pentagon officials told the paper that the idea of bomb-sniffing factors has a "giggle factor" that makes it hard to sell. Bees also have limitations, and do not work at night, in storms or in cold weather.
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              Fri, January 7, 2005 - 1:56 PM
              "are dogs that are trained to do this type of behavior exibition considered "Anecdotal reports"?"

              They are? Could you link to a news story or provide me with a study I can look up, please?

              The idea that dogs would be able to differentiate between the "smell" of cancerous tissue vs. normal tissue isn't that far-fetched, in my opinion. The seizure thing is a lot more interesting. How would a dog be trained to do something like that, I wonder?
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                Fri, January 7, 2005 - 2:18 PM
                "They are? Could you link to a news story or provide me with a study I can look up, please?"


                www.epilepsy-cf.org/seizure_dogs.htm
                "Q. Does a dog have a second sense to know when someone is going to have a seizure?

                A. It has been suggested that the dog can pick up on subtle changes in behavior or the sent of the owner before a seizure occurs. However, now one knows and research continues."
                • Re: Animal Behavior and Natural Phenomenon

                  Fri, January 7, 2005 - 2:26 PM
                  Thank you. A very informative article. Another excerpt from that article:

                  "However, research is still mixed on whether a dog can be trained to forewarn of an impending seizure."

                  So it seems like seizure-detecting dogs are not quite a well-defined/studied phenomenon yet.
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                    Re: Animal Behavior and Natural Phenomenon

                    Fri, January 7, 2005 - 2:31 PM
                    haha...well, it looks like we all have some research and work to do!

                    Now, if the human models for prediction were 100% or even 75% we could set up shop where the next natural disaster was going to take place and we could start watching animals behaviors and record them! Then we would have the proof that seems to be lacking, pro or con, in this excellent discussion.

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