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I have 2 neutered, male cats, both over 5 years old. They have lived together since they were small. One is much more aggressive than the other, and is completely dominant. They have developed a relationship, and their squabbles are never bad.
A year ago I moved in with my g/f and she has one neutered male cat around the same age. We didn't introduce the cats at first, allowing my cats to get used to the new environment. When we first introduced the cats, after about a month, my g/f's cat stalked and ambushed my cats--the problem: my cats are MUCH bigger than her cat.
After a couple of weeks the tables turned and it was open warfare on her cat. Both of my larger cats would tagteam her cat, and in the end her cat would get "trapped" in places. For example, we would leave for work in the morning and things would seem stable enough. But when we would get home later in the day her cat would be 100% frazzled and obviously hadn't moved all day (urination and defecation in close proximity), it was very distressing to see.
Once we realized what was happening we seperated the cats. That was about 9 months ago. They are seperated by a child's gate and occassionally 'fence fight' but it doesn't get too nasty. At times we will put all of the cats together under complete and total supervision with no instances of fighting. But, as of now, we could never let them be together unsupervised.
Has anyone had experiences like this, and found a way to reintroduce the cats? Or any other advice to recommend? Our goal is to have a feline armistice, so that the cats are free to roam wherever they like in the house, because we know that the cats were never be 'friends', tolerance would be nice though. Thanks for any suggestions~
A year ago I moved in with my g/f and she has one neutered male cat around the same age. We didn't introduce the cats at first, allowing my cats to get used to the new environment. When we first introduced the cats, after about a month, my g/f's cat stalked and ambushed my cats--the problem: my cats are MUCH bigger than her cat.
After a couple of weeks the tables turned and it was open warfare on her cat. Both of my larger cats would tagteam her cat, and in the end her cat would get "trapped" in places. For example, we would leave for work in the morning and things would seem stable enough. But when we would get home later in the day her cat would be 100% frazzled and obviously hadn't moved all day (urination and defecation in close proximity), it was very distressing to see.
Once we realized what was happening we seperated the cats. That was about 9 months ago. They are seperated by a child's gate and occassionally 'fence fight' but it doesn't get too nasty. At times we will put all of the cats together under complete and total supervision with no instances of fighting. But, as of now, we could never let them be together unsupervised.
Has anyone had experiences like this, and found a way to reintroduce the cats? Or any other advice to recommend? Our goal is to have a feline armistice, so that the cats are free to roam wherever they like in the house, because we know that the cats were never be 'friends', tolerance would be nice though. Thanks for any suggestions~
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Re: berlin wall-for cats
Fri, January 6, 2006 - 1:28 PMi'm currently going through the same thing (for the last 5 months), except my smaller, younger cat (the newest one) is terrorizing my larger, older (only a year older) cat. They are under total supervision when the new one is let out. I was dealing with a cat behaviorist, but her suggestions didn't work for my situation, but they may work for yours. Go through a reintroduction period. Try out this book: www.amazon.com/gp/product...132-0105449 It goes through reintroducing cats pretty thoroughly. make sure your GFs cat has the more desirable areas of the house. For my problem, it turns out that even at a year old, the yougest one is still a kitten and just wants to play with my older cat. -
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Re: berlin wall-for cats
Fri, January 6, 2006 - 1:32 PMwell thank you so much, i will check out that book. it seemed to get really good reader-reviews as well.
and good luck to your cats as well!! -
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Re: berlin wall-for cats
Sat, January 7, 2006 - 1:39 AMOh my luvlies, I am a veteran of the feline battlefield. My oldest is 11-13 (we aren't sure as he keeps lying about his age), and my youngest is about 3 (or so we guess as she was still in older kittenhood when we welcomed her to our home). Tazzy, the oldest, is the biggest pile of BS you ever met. He struts and fluffs and hisses and acts like Billy Badass if you are watching, otherwise he's over at the new cat (whomever the new cat or dog or mouse or hamster or spider or snake the list just goes on happens to be) and wants to be it's best friend. When my KoKo had to go to Kitty Heaven, Tazzy walked into KoKo's kennel and fell into a deep depression. Enter Sasha, my youngest. She is a street bum. She will always be a street bum. This is the type of cat that will just as soon whip out a switchblade and threaten to spay you as she would run up to you and purr and kiss and knead your neck! (She will only kiss me and my best friend, otherwise, back off!)
The reason I tell you this is because I am a habitual rescuer. Well, more like an addicted rescuer. Tazzy has seen em come and seen em go. He's been all over the world with me and tolerates the change rather well. Sasha is a bitch. So, if an animal will live inside my home and not just be a stray that I feed, befriend, trap, spay, innoculate and release, then we have a format that works for us. I bring the animal into the house in a cat kennel and leave it in the middle of the room. My cats then strut around hissing and cussing and threatening a most foul death. The whole time I instruct them to "be nice babies, be nice". Once my cats lose interest I shoo them outside and then allow new animal to roam the house. The reason for this is to let the new animal smell the house and leave it's smell all over the house. Once the cat comes back for food or water of whatever then I place it in a bathroom and put my cats into their kennels. I place the kennels in the middle of the room and let the new animal out. Thus proceeds more posturing and threatening. Once everyone has calmed down (with me saying Be nice babies, be nice), then new animal goes back into the bathroom (or other room if I happen to have one wherever I am living) with it's own food, water and litterbox. I might do this for a couple days depending on the length of time it takes for everyone to relax. I use the same ritual each time so that my animals know that this is an animal who will stay for awhile.
Ritual is extremely important with cats. You ever notice how your cats get ticked at you if you go on vacation without them??? I just got back home after being gone for a week, and let me tell you, there were some ugly looks for the first hour, but as I write this, my oldest is looking at me like "I can't believe you left me alone with that Sasha wench! Where were you, you, you , you ogre you!" Pick a ritual that you feel comfortable with and force your cats to comply. It will not be easy at first, but once they get the picture, then you have established something they can be comfortable with. -
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Re: berlin wall-for cats
Wed, January 11, 2006 - 6:14 PMYes but cats are not group animals and so i think its difficult to just think that rituals will do it. i had two cats and wanted a third one and the third one and my other female just didnt get along. period. i had to find another place for her.
my male cat and my new kitty get along well, after three days.
His former partner went to kitty heaven last year and we both were really depressed. -
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Re: berlin wall-for cats
Wed, January 11, 2006 - 6:40 PMThere were some great studies done in the U.K. (watched a cat documentary) where cats were shown as very social animals. Similar to the way lion prides work. You may be able to research it through pbs.org. -
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Re: berlin wall-for cats
Thu, January 12, 2006 - 10:44 PMI agree, I have seen many feral cat colonies. Man has typically made cats into solitary animals. Cats are very individual, indeed, but even my bitchy Sasha gets along with the strays who owned the yard before we moved in. We have cats come into our yard all the time and it's funny, as some are welcomed with open paws, whereas others are threatened with bloody and painful death.
I also know that if you have ever lived long enough with a cat, you know your cat has certain rituals. They typically like things a certain way and if you upset the schedules, they can get a bit touchy with you. Try going away for the weekend, and wether you leave a babysitter or leave the cats at the boarder, you will have attitude when you come home.
Cats rub on things to mark them as special things which belong. YOu ver notice them chewing on something then rubbing their cheek on it? They are scenting it up with comforting personal smells. Yeah they love you, but the leg rub and tail curl around the shin isn't JUST affection. Its scenting you up baby! Taking that knowledge in mind, if you allow them to get comfortable with the smell of the new cat, without a forced face to face, then you are running a much better chance of geting positive reactions from both cats. They will always fight, even if they fall in love with each other. My cats still fight. But when you walk in from your shower and find them both on the bed licking each other, you know it's all good.
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